什么是对�京大屠�的最好纪念?

Now why would you want to post something in prose for people who are struggling with Chinese?

That's a question for the times.

Hell, I’m bored. I translated panzi’s essay for y’alls edification.

“What is the best way to commemorate the Nanjing Massacre?�

The Nanjing Massacre is a classic example of death-by-compradors. After 1927, due to the intergration of the Chiang Kai-shek regime with the powerful Jiangzhe and Huanan financial groups, compradors became the bureaucrat-cum-comprador capitalist class, and not only controlled the economic pulse of the nation, but also held the power of the military. The Chiang regime of 1927 was a regime where compradors and big landlords collaborated to rule, but the Wangwei regime of 1940 was a regime completely under comprador rule; the majority of the 30 members of Wei’s Central Political Conference were compradors. At this time, imperialist exploitation was well served by the their capitulation to it, and the benefit they received was the continuance of their rule.

The period between 1927 and 1937 is glamourised by compradors and lackey intellectuals as the “ten golden years�. These ten years saw repeated invasions by foreign enemies and the continual degradation of the land, and not a day passed without civil conflict. Although military expenditure had always accounted for 80% of the government’s budget, the arsenal of China’s armed forces did not see any substantial improvement. China was still not able to independently design and construct the airplanes, tanks, and heavy cannons needed for national security. The “ten golden years� actually culminated in the Nanjing Massacre and ethnic peril. ( Compare with the ten years between 1949 and 1959, where the PLA went from being nearly all infantry to having 3000 of the most advanced jetfighters and 100 more modernized troops, as well as having the industries capable of producing jetfighters, T59 tanks, and various heavy cannons.)

The defensive battle in 1937 of the Nanjing capital began with the fleeing of Commander Tang Shenzhi before battle had even started, and ended with the route and surrender of the national army, and the massacre by the Japanese army. This is the great shame of China’s history. We can’t blame the enemy for being cruel, because genocide runs throughout human history, and to place hope on the enemy’s kindness is laughable. To do some kind of commemoration year after year is, dammit, baring the wound like screwed-up women. Have balls and be like America: burn and kill, rape and pillage Japan, and to add to it drop two atom bombs to let the enemy taste the horror of genocide - the result of which is that today’s Japan is completely impotent and has become the slavish mistress on America’s bed.

Rather than commemorate the Nanjing Massacre, we should commemorate the heroes of the volunteer army during the Korean Conflict; the crudely simple weapons of footsoldiers became in the hands of a bunch of brave men WMD, kicking Americans from Yalu River all the way the 38th parallel. In the second campaign, the infantry of the 38th Army quickened their speed, and was even faster than the Americans were in Kuwait in ’91 with their technologized advance. The Japanese pay respects to those who died in battle at shrines – that’s to remember their selves who had once been men. America has destroyed their country, and so the men are no longer true men. It’s precisely because of this, that even though most of those enshrined were soldiers who had died doing battle with American troops, why we haven’t seen Americans protest.

And yet year after year we whine to America’s mistress: “Back in the day when America hasn’t yet castrated you, you went so far as to violently assault me, waaaahhh, you’re awful. Admit that you’re awful!� Dammit, this is is basically treating yourself as a concubine vying for favours, and not as a man capable of holding up the sky and founding the land.

To China’s men, the best way to commemorate is to do this: on the coldest and most dismal day of every winter, sling a rifle over your shoulder and go run 20 kilometers on a vast, deserted field. No need to say anything, no need to built some kind of memorial, but under the icy sky and in the snowy fields personally experience a bit the spirit, sacrifice, and heroism of the erstwhile volunteer army heroes at Qingchuan River. For a commemoration of Nanjing Massacre, it’s better than any talk or words. Every generation has its mission. 50 years ago, brave men through colossal sacrifice completed their mission of rescuing China from the brink of ethnic extermination and out of the Nanjing Massacre. What our generation should do is fulfill China’s great restoration by overthrowing America this head mafioso, the cancer of our current world and the source of all evils, and grind one foot down, so it can never get back up. Then take Japan (who has already been “gelded� by America) for our mistress. (Korea after unification will be our wife propre, and also needs a little plastic surgery and a little “gelding�.)

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ETA: Whew. That was a waste of 30 minutes. Have fun.

Hahahahhaa.... cough cough hahhhhhhha.... aha... aha.... *gasp* *choke*

Man I haven't laughed this hard since Michael Jackson was still black.

Panzi, you do realize that this is the kind of shit that ends up getting used by Art Waldron and his band of Blue Team loonies to argue for listing China as America's No. 1 enemy, right? Here's a hint for you, patriot: Don't give your enemies excuses to raise their defense budgets against you by talking about your hate; keep it in and ACT if you will, but don't be like Frank Pentangeli...

That's why I didn't bother.

panzi, get some action, u need it. (sex)

Oh dear. And here I always thought America helped China against the Japanese. Thanks to Panzi for the history lesson. Death to America! (For the dense, I am being as sarcastic as I possibly can.)

To THM: Well, I wanted to share the wealth with the other Ducklings. It's no fun just laughing by myself.

I have to add, though, that panzi is a nutsoid and not representative of China's netizens at all. A lot of the posters over at ccforum or the politics section of Hexun are much saner than this.

Oh, believe me, I was laughing too! :lol:

That goes without saying! :wink:

I'm using my crappy Chinese to 1. Translate the lesson for tomorrow's class and 2. Translate Nina's (Wu Na's) blog about her brother, Hao. No, I am not the talented and dedicated person providing translations for freehaowu. org. My Chinese isn't nearly good enough. But given that it takes me a fair amount of time to read Chinese, I try to read things that are meaningful.

"1937年的�京首都��战,以�令�生智的�战而逃开始,国军的溃败和投�和日军的大屠�为结局.这是中国历�上的奇耻大辱."

That's a load of horse wash and you know it. This isn't history, its propoganda.

May I suggest that you read a quality account of events by western writters, there's an awful lot more to it than that. Even Japanese text books are more forgivving to the NAtionalists than you are, and that's saying something.

我们�能怪敌人残�, 因为����贯穿人类历�,

Really, Xinhua daily does this every day.

Maybe you should read the a foreign history book.

Panzi, since you speak English, and well know that half of the people on this baord can't speak Chinese. Wouldn't it have been easier for you to write this in English yourself?

ACB: you've totally missed the point. Panzi wrote in Chinese because the essay is meant to be for commenters on the Duckpond who are originally from Chinese background. They are what he referred to as "compradore" or 买办. It's not really that subtle, ACB. You need to brush up on your Chinese.

This is another example of what a sad case Panzi is. In his fantasy world, everything is black and white. You are either Chinese or you are foreigners. Anything in between is bad. So compradores are bad because they are Chinese who work for foreigners....bla, bla, bla.....

So ACB, I'm wondering how Panzi would classify someone like you?
:wink:

Of whom there are but a handful. No, I think that Panzi wrote in Chinese because he could, and because he knew that half of the readers couldn't. It's a power game.

The phrase 漢奸 springs to mind.

Yes, more than possible. But then the power game didn't work on me. What a pity! I'm thicker than he can handle. That's why Zhuangzi said that it's good to be stupid and useless. Or did Bo La Tu said that??? :?

The phrase 漢奸 springs to mind.

Then Panzi is wrong. You are not Chinese, surely.

Yeah, what Fat Cat said. "Comprador" is basically codeword for 漢奸 . Panzi wants to shame us seller-outers into running the 20k carrying a rifle for Glorious China, I guess. Heh heh heh.

I'm not ethnically Han, and I don't call myself 'Chinese' when I'm on the mainland, if that's what you mean.

In Panzi's thinking, you need to be pure Han and to be mainland to be 'true Chinese' else you are contaminated and less than Chinese. And you need to support the government in everything that it does else you are 漢奸. Thinking for yourself is sedition in his book.

I bet that he spits when hears the words 'overseas Chinese', and vomits when he hears people calling themselves 'Chinese-American'.

Panzi is the Chinese version of a white supremisist.

I was under the impression panzi was overseas Chinese. Certainly, the most fascist and xenophobic posts I read from Chinese on this blog and others are written by Chinese living in the USA, Britain, Singapore, etc.

Is that right? Not chinese on the mainland?

The xenophobes must have difficult lives since they cannot adjust to life outside China.

OK, now it is time for the phychobable.

Sadly, a lot of these angry 'overseas Chinese' aren't really Chinese in any meaningful way, except by ethnicity.

A lot are 2+ generation foreigners with Chinese ancestory, who can only speak pigeon Mandarin or Cantonese (they know only the most common words, and they have funny foreign accents on their tones etc that make them difficult for mainlanders to understand) and are only semi-literate in writing Chinese, if they know it at all. They can read some and Chinese write using a PC, but can't remember the strokes to write by hand.

They often come from parents who fled from China or HK to avoid the communists or to escape poverty. Their parents maintain enough of their traditions to make their children aware that they are different from the local population, but not enough to make them 'properly Chinese'.

They are caught between two differen tcultures difference (one culture at home, one at school) but belong to neither and they look different form the locals too, whcih has a disasosiative effect on them, and makes it hard for them to relate directly to anybody Chinese or western

As a result, they commonly feel angry at the world, and have a tendency to lash out or to equate anything that they don't like to a purposeful effort to 'keep them down' by other people (an angry young loner syndrom).

This disasotiation with the world around them leads them to want to be a part of something bigger, and to cling to something that they feel is strong. Often, this is their Chinese heritage.

The try to become 'more Chinese than the Chinese', but they have this idealized view of China as being a pefect place that is being 'kept down' by outsiders just like feel that they are being 'kept down' by society around them. And they either see the nationalist or the communists (it often doesn't matter which. For example, many of the strongest pro-Taiwanese independence capaigners are 2+ generation Chinese-Americans) as being the 'true way forward'.

Out of all this anger, and the desire to be ultra Chinese, you get somebody like Panzi.

Equally, it is not unknown to get Mainlanders who go to study in the West, who can't cope with the social differences.

Half of these people go nuts, and burn out through too much partying and excess because they want to try everything, and the other half turn into fenquing.

Those who turn ultra nationalist usually come form strict backgrounds and are unable to adjust to the more liberal western society. They have trouble fitting in, and rather than seeing this as being a result of themselves being unable to 'lighten up' they turn against the society that is around them and accuse it of being debased and corrupt.

They can't stand Chinese and overseas-Chinese who natrualized or who fit in in the west. They call them traitors, and they feel the need to become ultra hardline Chinese in order to fend off any corrupting influences that they may encounter.

Ironically, many of them covet the lifestyle that they can have in the west, with its widescreen HDTVs and fast cars, and they don't want to go back living in a towerblock in Beijing, even if it is a nice tower block.

As a result, they not only hate the world around them, but they also hate themselves for secretly wanting to be a part of it and they use ultra nationalism to rationalize this hatred.

Insidentally, many of them are also unable to adapt to life back in China, and feel that they have been robbed of what they had in the west, even if they hated it when they were there.

As Panzi says that America is worse than Japan, it is obvious that he's not a Mainlander, I think that he's probably 2nd generation Chinese America and that it was probably his grandfather who moved to the west, rather than his father.

ACB, you must be talking about yourself, as I myself am by no means 'caught' between two cultures. I am a native-born Chinese. Those so called ABC's are actually the pathetic losers. They don't know anything about Chinese culture, and yet do not fit in the Western society. They dream everyday of having white skin, and think that their lives are a success if they went to "Harvard" or "Yale" and became a doctor, or a investment banker, devoting their whole lives to serving their Anglo genocidist masters.

ACB, are you one of those losers? What are you doing in Shanghai? Working in some American investment bank as a pathetic "quant"?

For somebody who critisizes it so often, you don't seem to know much about western culture. Whites consider tanned skin to be a sign of good health. It means that you have the wealth to sit around in the sun all day or the strength to play sports outside. Having a pale skin in the west means that you are either a poor slob forced to spend all their days working in an office or a factors out of the sun, or that you are too sick to play sports outside.

Asians in the US have a skin tone from birth that white pay hundred of dollars to get in a salon.

Statistically, college attendence per 100 head of Asian-Ameircans is higher than among white-Americans, or so I believe. The percentage of small business ownership is high too.

Thing have even reached the stage when Asian civil right groups have started to complain that US TV automatically depicts Asians as being highly educated lawyers, doctors, accountant and scientists, rather than as blue colar workers.

'quant'? I'm sure I don't know what you mean.

I don't do anything quite so trivial as help the west feed off of China's risig star. I'm the other kind of analyst, and I most certainly don't work for the Americans.

I'm also not Chinese-America.

Exactly. And many of those Chinese who whiten their skin aren't necessarily doing it because they're fetishizing Caucasians, but because white skin has traditionally been considered as a sign of the upper class. (you know, like one of those 大家闺秀of antiquity who sat in their parlors and never chanced into the sunlight.)

I love how according to panzi wanting to become a doctor is apparently serving the Anglo-genocidists.

He probably comes from a similar background to mine. Raised in China, and came to the West in his pre-teens or teens.

And sorry, ACB, but you don't get to be called 汉奸. Only we get such an honourific. If you really, really feel strongly about it though, I guess I, nausicaa, a Chinese (heh, I bet that sure annoys the tits off of panzi), can hereby dub you, ACB, a Chinese. Presto! Now you can be called 汉奸.

Being someone who came to America when I was twelve and left when I was 22, I can say that Panzi reminds me of those Asian guys at my high school who were beaten by their parents every day for not getting perfect scores on all their tests... AND didn't get into the Ivy League because they couldn't write an English essay for the life of them.

I also remember being called a "coolie" for taking a white girl to prom by a kid like him--and then the kid's date (a proper Chinese girl) got snatched by my best friend (who was white). The kid then got suspended for threatening to knife my friend... and got beaten by his parents... heheh... good times.

Seriously, racist divides are really, really old and cloud your judgment by closing off what should be optimal choices; why do you still cling to them? Panzi, just open up, it's ok to be pissed off about what happened to your country before, but don't let that past emotion dominate your present life...

First of all, a big applause for all three of you, ACB, nausicca and t_co. I totally agree with your analysis. I'm not at all sorry about stirring up this storm. At first I meant to put myself out for Panzi to wet his pants and then turn around and tell him what an idiot he is. But then you guys have done it so beautifully. Many thanks. Just one thought though:

ACB my friend, I think that this is a brilliant insight into Panzi. May I make one suggestion: Panzi is a native Chinese who is trapped in Japan, not in America. That explains his hatred for the country which he couldn't fit in. It also explains why he is blogging here because deep down in his heart, he wants to be in America and so he is gealous of those Chinese migrants who are doing well in the US. His obsession with having "white skin" very much reflect a sense of Japanese asthetics.

Oh dear Panzi, you are such a sad case. I almost feel sorry for you. But then don't get your hope so high. I don't fancy you. You are not my type.

Panzi, what do you do for a living? Work in China for a Chinese company? Good for you. Odds are the company is learning a ton from its western competitors or allies in terms of process, strategy, financing, and marketing, given the CCP set the country and its privatized institutions back fifty years.

Or, maybe you work for an SOE?

What's "Secret Of Evermore" got to do with anything here? You are not seriously suggesting that Panzi sells Nintendo games in China for a living .... or unless you mean THAT SOE .... Oh! I'm scared.

By the way, Panzi's essay can also be found at the Brown University Chinese Students and Scholars Association Discussion Forum. The author called himself "Chemistry". But then the actually posting itself bares a name "Panzerfaust". The link: http://www.brownchina.org/bbs/read.php?tid=142&fpage=5

Just a word of warning for the faint-hearted: there are lots of scary and xenophobic stuff under 时事论� (current affairs forum). They are all written in Chinese. More than half of them are posted by this Chemistry character. So it looks as if the Duckpond is not the only place frequented by this troll.

I meant SOE as state owned enterprise.

Oh! Is that so? Are you sure you don't mean "Special Operations Executives"?

Oy! Panzi, malenkii malenkii malchyk, ty kak YUbka! Daaaa, panzi, yubka moyaaa, ya lyubyu tebya! U vas yest yubka, panzi, lastochka moya?

I would like to see an imitate Panzi composition contest hosted on this website. Points would be awarded for 1.) unoriginality
2.) repetition 3.) illogic 4.) racially based insults.

Sounds fun. What's the topic!?

Deleted - sorry everyone, but this guy is banned

Just a question for Richard: of the following trolls, which of them have common IP addresses?
MAJ (he's on the memberlist)
HELLO321
panzi
Math (although he's less inflammatory than the others, I'll admit)
The_Observer

Were you dropped on the head as a child? Or did your parents just do a completely half-arsed job in raising you?

The Nazis had their own way of thinking. So did imperial Japan and the Khemer Rouge. That doesn't mean that their right or should be supported.

The Nazis had their own way of thinking. So did imperial Japan and the Khemer Rouge. That doesn't mean that their right or should be supported.

Nice comparison! 8)